Techeiles in private?!

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Shoin.

So, you are "mechaven" to my original question...
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Mr. wrote:Thu Jan 01, 1970 12:04 am
Nosson wrote: Fri Mar 17, 2023 9:58 am Rafi writes --
Depends. R' Schachter makes the most sense in that, if you think you might have the right Techeiles (even if it's just might) and choose not to wear it, you are being Over Bal Tigra. Furthermore it's a Machlokes Rishonim whether Tzitzis is one mitzva or five. With white, we are all doing the mitzva BeDieved, since according to some the mitzva can't be fulfilled at all without Techeiles.

But there is no need to resort to Bal Tigra or some Rishonim (which we anyway pasken against למעשה) or the count of how many mitzvot.

There is a simple bittul Aseh every second according to everyone when Techeiles is available, as every Jew says twice a day!

(See, too, Maharil regarding a garment missing Titzit on Shabbos, and the gemara on Chotam shel zahav and more.) 


 
I believe not everyone agrees to that (e.g, Rav Belsky didn't wear it on his tallis)
 

 
Re: saying Shma, that's what led me to decide to wear Techeiles on my TGs and TKs, since I would be holding the strings from my TG and personally found it a bit hypocritical that I would be wearing Techeiles yet wouldn't see it in "real time" when saying Shma.

R' Belsky didn't wear it due to larger "image" issues: https://www.techeiles.org/library_main/ ... les-story/, especially since it wasn't as worn and accepted by as significant an amount of people as it is now. R' Karp Shlit"a (see Q4 here: https://www.techeiles.org/latest_develo ... techeiles/) also wears Techeiles and in his case, R' Elyashiv ZT"L told him to wear it b'tzina since it wasn't accepted by the Olam yet. When R' Elyashiv passed, R' Kanievsky ZT"L told him to start wearing it on his TG, and B"H we have pictures showing this (https://bluefringes.com/notable_people/ ... chai-karp/).
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It seems to me there are two general schools of thought among Rabbonim who have adopted techeiles to varying degrees.

1.) Those who view it as vadai, and a complete chiyuv.

2.) Those who are not convinced but believe it has enough grounds to count as a sofek, hiddur, or chumra, etc. (Possibly some see it as convincing, but hold that until it's more unanimously adopted, it isn't a complete chiyuv).

Those who follow the first school of thought are more likely to wear it in all situations, and more likely to hold that it's better to wear no four cornered garment than one that lacks techeiles. Those who follow the second school of thought are more likely to be ok with wearing only white in certain situations.

 
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scoop55 wrote: Fri Jun 30, 2023 1:36 pm It seems to me there are two general schools of thought among Rabbonim who have adopted techeiles to varying degrees.

1.) Those who view it as vadai, and a complete chiyuv.

2.) Those who are not convinced but believe it has enough grounds to count as a sofek, hiddur, or chumra, etc. (Possibly some see it as convincing, but hold that until it's more unanimously adopted, it isn't a complete chiyuv).

Those who follow the first school of thought are more likely to wear it in all situations, and more likely to hold that it's better to wear no four cornered garment than one that lacks techeiles. Those who follow the second school of thought are more likely to be ok with wearing only white in certain situations.

 

 
Then there's a third, the "Belsky complex" and I'd like to put it. Holds it's Vadai and a Chiyuv, yet for political reasons and that it might come at the expense of other Mitzvos chooses not to wear it publicly.
 
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"until it's more unanimously adopted, it isn't a complete chiyuv".

I'm very sorry, but where else in the whole entire Torah does that logic hold at all?

Mitzvos don't depend upon widespread observance in a dor shekulo chayav!

And there is no kavodige way to address the "Belsky complex", either, except dazed shock.
Since when does one mitsva detract from another one or mitigate an obligation because of machloket?

The only question that needs asking is what is the truth, no more.

Any one who knows the truth but has "buts" is a...
 
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"Safek" is also meaningless.

Most niddas are not a vadai, and they still say a bracha, etc.
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